@saraislet interessting thoughts. What worries me the most in the here and now is that informed concent has left the picture long ago for the average computet user. Most none-techies are as much slaves to the design and business decisions of vendors as the machines are. Most consumer software even goes so fare as to do what it assumes I want it to do, not what I actually instructed it to do.

@gilgwath that's true even beyond computers and technology — is that any different when it comes to the food we eat?

As someone with food allergies, I don't experience much informed consent when it comes to what's in the food I get from restaurants, or even from grocers or friends. Restaurants and friends aren't always clear on the ingredients or allergens, and even in a grocery, packaged food ingredients depend on regulations that vary by country (and even then there's risks and contaminants), and even basic produce can be sprayed with chemicals that I might react to (and might be harming all of us 💀)

You're completely right that it's an awful state of informed consent, and that goes horrifyingly far